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Thread: Family of systems. What did that mean?

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    Family of systems. What did that mean?

    Last year Nintendo reorganized its R&D divisions and integrated the handheld device and home console development teams into one division under Mr. Takeda. Previously, our handheld video game devices and home video game consoles had to be developed separately as the technological requirements of each system, whether it was battery-powered or connected to a power supply, differed greatly, leading to completely different architectures and, hence, divergent methods of software development. However, because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. We discussed this point, and we ultimately concluded that it was the right time to integrate the two teams.
    For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.
    Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.


    Bolded the more important parts. What did Iwata mean here? Switch is almost the opposite of what he says here. Are we still gonna see some sort of iOS/Android ecosystem?

    Couple other things to consider. This was during a March 2014 investors meeting. NX was announced an entire year later during a press conference... Is it possible that they decided that they only need one device now?



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    So we're taking the Super Metal Dave approach eh?

    http://wiiuforums.com/nx/28886-smd-n...ne-device.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Lazy 10 View Post
    So we're taking the Super Metal Dave approach eh?

    http://wiiuforums.com/nx/28886-smd-n...ne-device.html
    I'm not sure. Switch does fly in the face od almost all of this though. But that last statement at the end. Makes me think they just scrapped the ecosystem and are just gonna fly with this for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    I'm not sure. Switch does fly in the face od almost all of this though. But that last statement at the end. Makes me think they just scrapped the ecosystem and are just gonna fly with this for now.
    True. We don't really know what changes happened behind the scenes since Kimishima took over that could have affected the console either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aMarioFan64 View Post
    It means Super Metal Dave is as much of a sore loser as Dustin is.
    What have I lost? It's Nintendo that will lose because of this design they have chosen. I will be proven right again about sales and the gimmick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin View Post
    What have I lost? It's Nintendo that will lose because of this design they have chosen. I will be proven right again about sales and the gimmick.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    Makes me think they just scrapped the ecosystem and are just gonna fly with this for now.
    That could be. There's a lesser chance we don't know everything yet, and there are surprises to come. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    That could be. There's a lesser chance we don't know everything yet, and there are surprises to come. We'll see.
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    So I've been putting further thought into this. Iwata says he wants an ecosystem like iOS or Android... The console they reveal a couple years later is -when you strip away all the extra plastic- a tablet...

    With that and all the quotes from Iwata from the OP in mind I wanna bring up a few other rumors we've heard over the years.
    Nintendo is reportedly working on an Android tablet for educational games [updated] | GamesBeat | Games | by mckinleynoble
    Nintendo is reportedly working on an Android tablet that will be primarily for the educational market, according to a series of Twitter posts from Nintendo of America software engineer Nando Monterazo.


    Nintendo's initial interest in QoL. And their retraction from that
    Nintendo Officially Gives Up on 'Quality of Life' Sleep Tracker | Digital Trends
    “In regards to the Quality of Life [device], which was not mentioned in any of today’s questions, we do not have the conviction that the sleep-and-fatigue-themed [device] can enter the phase of actually becoming a product,” Kimishima said, according to a translation from Wired. On the other hand, we still believe there are things we can do in the general category of Quality of Life, and we will continue to study the possibility of expanding into this field.”
    Nintendo considered making add-ons for smartphones seems to be the basis for what the joycons would become
    https://www.strategyanalytics.com/st...s#.WBQL2vkrKUl
    In its recent shareholder meeting, Nintendo’s senior executive, Shinya Takahashi, told investors that the company is considering developing its own game-controller for smartphones and tablets.Nintendo is already in smartphone software. After successfully launching its first mobile app, Miitomo, in March this year, Nintendo is planning to release another 4 games for smart devices in the upcoming nine months.

    Beyond software, Nintendo is now potentially developing hardware accessories to further enrich users’ gaming experience on touchscreen devices.

    Can Nintendo be a major player in smartphone gaming-controllers? In Japan, yes. In the rest of the world, probably not. Nintendo is very late to the smartphone and tablet game, it has limited mobile distribution channels, and, if it does take off, Apple and Samsung will likely copycat their strategy very quickly.
    Ok now factor in Nintendo's insistence that Switch is not a replacement for 3DS.

    Here's my theory. Nintendo is building a a family of systems, not the kind Super Metal Dave wants that's just a plain-jane Xbox/Playstation/Gamecube console. I think Nintendo is working on a smart device OS and Switch will be the first product to run it. At some point in the future Nintendo will make a smartphone that will be able to use the joycons we've already seen and will launch with their own set as well, which will be the proper 3DS replacement. Nintendo will make a tablet for educational purposes, or just create several apps for Switch that will let it be used in that manner. They were considering a smartwatch running this OS, but with the rise and very swift fall of smartwatches, which at this point are used for nothing but fitness (AKA QoL) they've shelved that idea and are seeing how that market plays out.

    Nintendo will be on a much faster upgrade cycle. Annual if not bi-annual upgrades just like Android/iOS tablets and smartphones. Form factors increase and the handheld and home console become brothers in a family of systems. Switch at it's core is a tablet, we'll see in January if my theory is even plausible when we find out what it can do outside of gaming.

    Just my theory of where Nintendo is heading. This isn't exactly what I want to happen, in fact getting into the smart device buisness seems like a money pit, but this is the direction I see Nintendo going in.
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    I've figured out what happened to the family of systems, everyone. Iwata died.

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    I just saw this thread. This is the reason the Max horseshit threads are irritating IMO; they can bury legitimate discussions. No hard feelings Max, just turn it down a couple of notches, hmm?

    That's an interesting premise Kahhhhyle. I have always says Nintendo discards nothing and instead repurposes it later. The Switch could be sort of a culmination/ jumping off point for this idea if it is actually something Nintendo intends to pursue. I think what could happen at this point is we will see some attempts at Switch trying to incorporate diverse ideas into one package. The tablet and motion controllers could be a key part of that. Nintendo has not forgotten the success of Wii Fit for example. What if the Switch tablet includes some sort of Fitbit mini game/app for travelers, with the tablet doubling as a personal travel log with posts to Miiverse or whatever? Or as an organizer? I could see the possibility of setting up your Switch with the kickstand and doing a fitness routine while staying at a friends house for example.

    Or remember the DLC in NSMB2 and Toadstool Tour? That was Nintendo trying out DLC followed by the cool (IMO) Rusty Slugger. Mario V. DK Tipping Stars was an experiment in that direction as well, with a focus on social interaction. SMM also had the social rating system. Nintendo is clearly trying out new ideas in a small way. To what end, I don't know.

    If they try to make the Switch into a multipurpose device they may find success but I personally will be disappointed. I just want a game machine.
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    I think one of two things happened. Either they completely changed their game plan, or what they originally intended evolved into what we see now. I can see how Switch could be the evolution of a "family of systems." It's a handheld and a console.
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    I think a good question is, "Will Switch be a dedicated game machine? And if not, is that a bad thing?"
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    It's very possible that Switch could have evolved from a series of hardware to what it is now, what Iwata described is pretty much the shield family; the shield portable, shield tab and shield tv, all based on android.
    Shield TV proved the concept, it's basically a wall powered tablet with active cooling and no screen, it's even powered by the same components, but because of Nvidias 'mobile-first' approach with their gpu's it gets a considerable boost.



    This is why I feel that Switch is more like a fusion of the Shield series than anything hardware related from nintendo.
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    I originally thought the switch was going to replace 3DS...but I guess not...maybe they punked out because they decided not to put all of their eggs in one basket (perhaps handheld only was going to be 3ds and handheld with dock was going to be console...maybe they thought that was too confusing)...I don't know about all of his comments...but this one sounds exactly like switch (the switch is a brother to the 3ds):

    When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.


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    I don't even want to touch this, I have no idea what they meant. It could have something to do with smartphone compatibility, I guess. That wouldn't surprise me.

    I don't believe we will get another 3DS though. I fully believe Nintendo will either continue to combine their home/portable, or if that doesn't work will just work on Android/iOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drew79 View Post
    If they try to make the Switch into a multipurpose device they may find success but I personally will be disappointed. I just want a game machine.
    The foremost purpose will be gaming for the time being. But for years now Nintendo has been trying to find supplemental income, so they're going to ball it all together.
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    I think one of two things happened. Either they completely changed their game plan, or what they originally intended evolved into what we see now. I can see how Switch could be the evolution of a "family of systems." It's a handheld and a console.
    It really isn't a family as far as we know at this point. It's one product, handheld and consoles haven't become brothers like Fusion would have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    The foremost purpose will be gaming for the time being. But for years now Nintendo has been trying to find supplemental income, so they're going to ball it all together.

    It really isn't a family as far as we know at this point. It's one product, handheld and consoles haven't become brothers like Fusion would have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahhhhyle View Post
    The foremost purpose will be gaming for the time being. But for years now Nintendo has been trying to find supplemental income, so they're going to ball it all together.

    It really isn't a family as far as we know at this point. It's one product, handheld and consoles haven't become brothers like Fusion would have been.
    That's why I'm saying things have changed since he said that.
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    The type of family where the younger ones emancipate themselves.

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    About the thread topic, it was a bad translation. He was saying it's a system for families. So confirmed no hardcore gamez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodenSaucer View Post
    About the thread topic, it was a bad translation. He was saying it's a system for families. So confirmed no hardcore gamez.
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    Mommy where do I come from
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    You see sweety, when two console love each other very much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aMarioFan64 View Post
    So Switch has Daddy Issues...

    Explains a lot.
    Switch is technologically a handheld but identifies as a home console...

    (If anyone for one reason or another feels insulted by this post, let me know and I'll delete it)

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