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    Watch Dogs weirdness

    A new trailer for Watch Dogs was released the other day, and it's got the cores/GBs/particle effects/superior fish AI crowd up in arms. The new footage is clearly not as shiny, purdy, and detailed as the stuff shown at E3 last year, and it's not sitting well with the "hardcore" folks. There's too much here for me to put it all up, so if you'd rather not click on anything, I'll try to summarize as best I can.

    The basic graphics controversy (but there are several other articles out there):

    Can Ubisoft Rescue The Watch Dogs Downgrade Controversy?

    A rant about how much this all sucks:

    Developers Continue to Pull Wool Over Our Eyes | GaminRealm.comGaminRealm.com

    Damage control from Ubisoft:

    Watch_Dogs: “Don’t worry About the Graphics,” “They’re at No Risk at All” | DualShockers

    My take on all this? I bet Watch Dogs isn't going to look as good as promised, and it will be interesting to see how that affects the perception of this title, and it's sales. I've long thought that there would be a "wake up" game for the next gen purists, one that shows them that they actually can't, in fact, have it all. From all reports, this title is huge and ambitious, so it really follows that it's not going to be able to pump out the best graphics possible. It's open world, not a semi-linear FPS. Also, developers tend to show off stuff at E3 using the best PC builds they can, so I don't find this all that surprising. But obviously others do.

    Oh, and here's some pleasant exchanges between calm and understanding Wii U owners and Ubisoft about the delay . The link to the actual exchanges is at the bottom of the article:

    Wii U Owners Push Back at Ubisoft Over Watch Dogs - Nintendo Enthusiast

    So...good feels all around. Everything I've seen about this title leads me to believe it will be very good, but with all this weirdness swirling around it, I'm beginning to doubt it's going to see much success.



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    Ahh... The sweet sound of Ubisoft getting ****ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonicgill View Post
    Ahh... The sweet sound of Ubisoft getting ****ed.
    That may well be what happens. I hope not, as the game does look good, and even if it's not, you hate to see ambitious titles fail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    That may well be what happens. I hope not, as the game does look good, and even if it's not, you hate to see ambitious titles fail...
    I hate watching ambition fail, but after Ubisoft's hypocrisy, I'm fine with them getting screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonicgill View Post
    I hate watching ambition fail, but after Ubisoft's hypocrisy, I'm fine with them getting screwed.
    I'm not sure I can say that myself, but you can bet you're not alone there.
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    looking forward to all this, it is interesting how this all will turn out.

    this was never a game which I want to buy but I was interessted how the game will look and if it will be a success and it get intense.

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    Many of these "hard core games" seem to think that their newish consoles are super powerful PC's such is their grandiose delusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    I'm not sure I can say that myself, but you can bet you're not alone there.
    Don't get me wrong. I'm still considering getting it, but Ubisoft needs to be knocked down a bit.
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    well since the wii U version will be released later, If the game is really terrible and not what ubisoft promised it to be I can still cancell my pre-order
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyMeadow View Post
    Many of these "hard core games" seem to think that their newish consoles are super powerful PC's such is their grandiose delusions.
    Pretty much. I found myself shaking my head at times reading that rant article. At some point such people are going to have to accept reality. I wonder if it will take more than Watch Dogs to do that, or if we'll see reality sink in soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Moness View Post
    well since the wii U version will be released later, If the game is really terrible and not what ubisoft promised it to be I can still cancell my pre-order
    Actually, the hilarious part about all this is that the Wii U version could turn out to be the best one. If the graphics are similar, and the Pad use is cool, I don't see why not. Of course, Ubisoft may have pissed so many people off by then that no one will buy it. I think I still will pick it up though, whenever it comes out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonicgill View Post
    I hate watching ambition fail, but after Ubisoft's hypocrisy, I'm fine with them getting screwed.
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    Maybe it was running on Xbox one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade.Auria View Post
    Maybe it was running on Xbox one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    Actually, the hilarious part about all this is that the Wii U version could turn out to be the best one.
    I am getting a weird deja-vu feeling with that remark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    Pretty much. I found myself shaking my head at times reading that rant article. At some point such people are going to have to accept reality. I wonder if it will take more than Watch Dogs to do that, or if we'll see reality sink in soon.
    I can't wait for those gamers to release that their consoles won't last as long as their previous one's have done due to the ever-changing nature of PC's. I guarantee that if a PS5 will come out, it will be out within five years. Sony and Microsoft are now locked in a battle of keeping up with the Jones's.

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    Could be great if this game fails on xbone and ps4 (not because I want you-be-soft to fail) and then go on to the U with a superior version and outsell the twins. would be epic. (as long as the Upad is used for something useful, the U version will be superior imo)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kukabuksilaks View Post
    Could be great if this game fails on xbone and ps4 (not because I want you-be-soft to fail) and then go on to the U with a superior version and outsell the twins. would be epic. (as long as the Upad is used for something useful, the U version will be superior imo)
    It sounds as if they might actually be attempting to do some interesting stuff with the game pad. If they are, I might buy this title even though I want initially excited by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kukabuksilaks View Post
    Could be great if this game fails on xbone and ps4 (not because I want you-be-soft to fail) and then go on to the U with a superior version and outsell the twins. would be epic. (as long as the Upad is used for something useful, the U version will be superior imo)
    I don't think that would happen. I wish it could but if WD fails on the twins Ubisoft could just can the Wii U version like Aliens.

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    I'm still looking forward to it and shall be buying it for my Wii U.

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    Watchdogs is too similar to Assassin's Creed in terms of gameplay for me to pick it up, but I wish it all the best and I hope it's a big seller on the Wii U.

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    this game has gone down the pooper fast for me, bargain bin pick up lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyMeadow View Post
    Watchdogs is too similar to Assassin's Creed in terms of gameplay for me to pick it up, but I wish it all the best and I hope it's a big seller on the Wii U.
    Really? This doesn't look anything like AC to me. If anything, I would be more likely to compare it to GTA.
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    Wow, I just watched the video and I actually think this looks great. I don't really notice too much of a difference but I'm not all about looks. The game looks fun. I cancelled my preorder forever ago but it looks like I'll be picking this up after all. Let the hype commence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennyj View Post
    Really? This doesn't look anything like AC to me. If anything, I would be more likely to compare it to GTA.
    The way Aiden moves and is very similar to how Ezio, Haytham and Edward move in the AC games. Watch dogs is like a mixture of GTA and AC games. GTA's open world adventure platform mixed with AC's game engine. Either way that's not why I'm not interested in it, I've just other games that I want to play instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyMeadow View Post
    The way Aiden moves and is very similar to how Ezio, Haytham and Edward move in the AC games. Watch dogs is like a mixture of GTA and AC games. GTA's open world adventure platform mixed with AC's game engine. Either way that's not why I'm not interested in it, I've just other games that I want to play instead.
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    Aaaand here's the wave of skepticism and doubt for some reason
    ...were the visuals really all that was driving support of the game?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmagican View Post
    Aaaand here's the wave of skepticism and doubt for some reason
    ...were the visuals really all that was driving support of the game?
    Not for me. But the cores/GBs/particle effects/superior fish AI crowd seem kind of pissed about it.

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    Yeah.. While I think graphics matter to some degree -- I don't care that much. If the game is good, I'll get it. But I was never planning to get this day 1. This is one of those games that -- even if it gets a 90% on MC would drop to $30 after a couple months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyMeadow View Post
    The way Aiden moves and is very similar to how Ezio, Haytham and Edward move in the AC games. Watch dogs is like a mixture of GTA and AC games. GTA's open world adventure platform mixed with AC's game engine. Either way that's not why I'm not interested in it, I've just other games that I want to play instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennyj View Post
    Yeah.. While I think graphics matter to some degree -- I don't care that much. If the game is good, I'll get it. But I was never planning to get this day 1. This is one of those games that -- even if it gets a 90% on MC would drop to $30 after a couple months.
    I might wait, too. Depends on what's coming out around it. And I'm sure the graphics will be fine, there's just no pleasing some people.

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    This is one of my most anticipated games of 2014. I will be getting it on Wii U no matter how long I have to wait and I couldn't care less if the graphics aren't as beautiful as the 2012 trailer. I care about the gameplay, and the gamepad will add a lot of cool things to it.
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    Is this what everyone is complaining about? It looks nice to me.
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    I think this was one of the most anticipated games of 2013, but since it delayed to 2014, I believe it become a good game to be purchased when on sales, 2014 is crowed with great games from all fronts and I don't think a new IP can go against all those big guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameboy View Post
    I don't really see this as bad news
    Or, you know, even actual news...
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    I called it first awhile back. They're going to delay the Wii U version long enough to make it into a special Director's Cut version. Then they're going to delay it longer so they can release the Director's Cut on the other consoles, too.

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    I can't wait for those gamers to release that their consoles won't last as long as their previous one's have done due to the ever-changing nature of PC's. I guarantee that if a PS5 will come out, it will be out within five years. Sony and Microsoft are now locked in a battle of keeping up with the Jones's.
    The word is that they want this gen to last 10 years. If they really go that long, I feel sorry for those guys.

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    It sounds as if they might actually be attempting to do some interesting stuff with the game pad. If they are, I might buy this title even though I want initially excited by it.
    Which is pretty cool, because the earlier reports made it seem like they weren't going to be doing much on the GamePad.

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    The way Aiden moves and is very similar to how Ezio, Haytham and Edward move in the AC games. Watch dogs is like a mixture of GTA and AC games. GTA's open world adventure platform mixed with AC's game engine. Either way that's not why I'm not interested in it, I've just other games that I want to play instead.
    The animations might be similar to AC, but to me, the gameplay reminds me more of GTA + Deus Ex with the whole futuristic hacking thing.
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    There's definitely a clear "target miss" here between the obviously hardcore PC footage they showed, and the more recent PS4 footage. The funny part is that I've been calling this out for awhile: the console versions, including the PS4 versions, will NOT look as good as the promo material, which has always been running on PCs historically. Only first-party, console-only titles will be fairly accurate. Yet Sony fanboys keep jumping down my throat, despite KZ:SF proving to be rendering 960x1080 frames in multiplayer, Infamous SS having serious pop-in issues, and now Watch_Dogs PS4 footage looking nothing near as good as the initial PC footage...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gameboy View Post
    Is this what everyone is complaining about? It looks nice to me.
    I agree, I think it looks pretty good. With that said, it's unlikely I'm going to have time for this!
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    I agree with the OP on most all of this, and predict SOME of this will also apply to the new Batman game. Mostly, while I think it'll be a very good game by all accounts, people are going to get their expectations way to high, then bitch.

    What does Flava Flav say about hype?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drew79 View Post
    I agree with the OP on most all of this, and predict SOME of this will also apply to the new Batman game. Mostly, while I think it'll be a very good game by all accounts, people are going to get their expectations way to high, then bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZyroXZ2 View Post
    There's definitely a clear "target miss" here between the obviously hardcore PC footage they showed, and the more recent PS4 footage. The funny part is that I've been calling this out for awhile: the console versions, including the PS4 versions, will NOT look as good as the promo material, which has always been running on PCs historically. Only first-party, console-only titles will be fairly accurate. Yet Sony fanboys keep jumping down my throat, despite KZ:SF proving to be rendering 960x1080 frames in multiplayer, Infamous SS having serious pop-in issues, and now Watch_Dogs PS4 footage looking nothing near as good as the initial PC footage...
    that's honestly the cycle I've noticed so far this gen, just the hardcore sony fans,not the actual fan base itself

    1. game is released on Xbox One, 720,pro sony fans bash xbox one and say how crappy it is. Then a game on PS4 is only 720p and its defended saying ''oh well thats fine.

    2. a game is released on xbox one and runs at 30fps. pro sony fanbase slams the game as being crap and the system sucks. Then a game comes on ps4 and is only 30fps and its defended

    its just pure hypocrisy in the end
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    I've been reading through the GAF article since that Italian gameplay video (which I'm having trouble locating atm) came out, the original .gif that caused the controversy (aside from the Aisha trailer released months ago) is this one:



    The first part (huge helicopter spotlight, poor lighting effects, yellow car) is from the new video. The second (smaller helicopter spotlight, more dynamic lighting, red car) is from the initial 2012 reveal, I think. Will redact that if I'm incorrect, but it's at least from a much earlier showcasing of the game.

    Watch_Dogs as a whole still looks pretty damn good (the above .gif is the worst looking part of that entire video), and I still plan on buying it, but the main issue that came up (which the ancient gamer mentioned but gets lost in the argument over whether or not the game looks good at all) is that Ubisoft revealed the game in 2012 claiming that what was being shown (now understood to be a proof-of-concept) was 100% in-game footage, and (unless there has been a statement in the past day or so clarifying which platform the above clip was from) has not taken the time to specify how the game currently looks on next-gen systems (consider that this was touted as a next-gen-focused title). We don't know if that was a misplaced PS3 clip, or if it was from the PS4 build of the game.

    Another example from our good friends Ubisoft (the specs of the PC used are listed in the video description):


    The problem with this is simple: a big company releases a proof-of-concept running on a high-end PC pretty much at the start of actual development, and use bullshots to promote it - and say it's going to look that good come release - and by the time the game comes out it has been downgraded considerably yet few people payed enough attention throughout a few years of development to notice the changes.
    This creates a skewed consumer perception, where they think they're gonna get something as grandiose as what was initially shown, which consumers then use as a comparison for everything else that is revealed (at least by big publishers) thereafter. It further pushes expectations toward the point where devs have to spend far too much money to meet said consumer expectations, and damns good devs who cannot live up to that standard - although they shouldn't have to.
    And let's not even get into the backlash that occurs when gamers notice these companies in the middle of their lies.

    #moderngamerexpectations

    NOTE: all of this has been discussed, I just thought to put it in a single, comprehensive comment.
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    RIP Watch Dogs hype ;(
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