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    Nintendo is NOT and WILL NOT be doomed, but is consumer confidence?

    It's not even questionable that Nintendo has a fat wallet (as punctually I have evidence here: Nintendo has enough cash in the bank to run a deficit for 38 years | Wii U )

    There is no way at least in our lifetime that Nintendo will go the way of the dodo, BUT what about consumer confidence (Specifically on consoles)?

    After the Wii, many people were kind of upset at how crappy the games were graphically and Nintendo's questionable choice in power for the console, as it was no better than a Game Cube, and the look of the games reflect that. On an hdtv, almost all Wii games look like pure unadulterated crap except a few, and the games especially from 3rd parties reflected this pretty heavily in not only looking terrible, but playing terrible or missing many many features of the hd counterparts of that gen.

    Wii U on the other hand is an HD system, has a fair online connectivity system, and has the umph behind it, but then there are not that many games obviously from 3rd parties coming or has been coming, and it's pretty much on track to be mostly a first or 2nd party only system with indie support for the rest of it's existence.

    I think it's pretty obvious that consumer confidence in Nintendo's consoles are blown completely out of the fruit bowl. Even if you don't count the whole 3rd party support debacle, the Wii U isn't selling too hot, has not sold too well up to now, and unless Smash, Kart, and Zelda work some serious magic, it's not going to get really any better.

    Nintendo is NOT losing money. We all know this. If you think they are, please tell me what you are smoking, because I need some to make me think my job pays well, and the issues with my house are not going to drive me into further debt...

    But with this being said, even all of us who DID buy the console do not really have that much of a reason to keep confidence levels high in anything Nintendo does outside of the 3ds..

    So here is the real question.

    How many of you out there WHO PURCHASED THE WII U regardless if today or on launch day, feel confident enough that you know you would willingly buy the next Nintendo console?

    I am not one of those people at this time. Does this mean I hate Nintendo? Nope. Not at all. I still love their games and unique experiences, and I may very well be interested in their next console, but I'll be damned if I slap down x amount of money on launch day again for a Ninty console, instead opting to wait at least two years to ensure I can get a good deal and verify that the price I pay for purchase is well spent with a good gaming ecosystem and proper support, even if JUST from Nintendo..

    Thoughts?

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    I'll buy another Nintendo console as long as I don't find out they're going to start making 2D topdown Zelda games. If that happens, I'll probably be done with them. But I seriously doubt if that's going to be an issue.
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    there are a few key titles that I can only play on a nintendo console, for example, zelda and metroid. there are zero first party games I'm interested on sony front and if microsoft is smart, they will make a banjo game and force me to buy a xbox one.

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    For me, it's too early to tell. If Nintendo supports the Wii U for next 4 years, then I will buy their next console. If there are no big games released after 2015, I will not buy another Nintendo console.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennyj View Post
    For me, it's too early to tell. If Nintendo supports the Wii U for next 4 years, then I will buy their next console. If there are no big games released after 2015, I will not buy another Nintendo console.
    I think 2015 is safe, but 2016 might be very poor because they will probably be finishing the next handheld hardware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Moness View Post
    if i stop buying nintendo products I will stop gaming. That would mean more money for my other hobbies
    if i stop gaming i probably could afford a social life... HELL NO, BACK TO GAMING

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    Unfortunately this will not stop the doomsayers (the serious ones) from saying things like Nintendo has failed and their games should/will go third party soon.

    While I enjoy many types of games I enjoy games from Nintendo the most. The Wii U has been a much better system for me than the Wii ever was. There have been some disappointments over the last year or so but overall I have no real complaints about the Wii U as it has been my primary gaming platform since I got it. So yes I see no reason why I would not want to invest in any future gaming platform from Nintendo.
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    I feel I wasn't specific enough in my question with my post above (the poll would have clarified this but oh well), but the real question was would you purchase their next console at launch or wait a while or not purchase at all? And at that, would you buy retail or used? I usually only buy retail, but if I buy the next Nintendo console, it will probably be close to bargain bin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mchelski View Post
    if i stop gaming i probably could afford a social life... HELL NO, BACK TO GAMING
    I still have my anime, manga, doctor who and lego obsession. yeah I really live and work for my hobbies
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Moness View Post
    I still have my anime, manga, doctor who and lego obsession. yeah I really live and work for my hobbies
    I really like those too, I'm really anxious for the end of kill la kill (kirurakiru)

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    I will. I really only play 1st and second party games anyway. Most everything else I play on PC. As long as they keep mario kart and Zelda's coming to new Nintendo consoles, consider one purchased in my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hexskrew View Post
    I feel I wasn't specific enough in my question with my post above (the poll would have clarified this but oh well), but the real question was would you purchase their next console at launch or wait a while or not purchase at all? And at that, would you buy retail or used? I usually only buy retail, but if I buy the next Nintendo console, it will probably be close to bargain bin.
    In that case my purchase of the next Nintendo system at launch would depend on a couple things. First if it had backwards compatibility with Wii U and possibly Wii games. Secondly what titles were available at launch. The only reason I got the Wii U at launch was because I knew it would play my Wii games library and work with my Wii controllers and accessories. I got the Wii during the launch Window but it was after Christmas because it was hard to find and I wanted to see what the system was about before purchasing it. Ultimately it was Zelda Twilight Princess and playing Wii Sports that made that decision for me.

    All that being said if either (or both) the XBOX One and PS4 had backwards compatibility I probably would have picked one of those systems up by now.
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    Nintendo is NOT and WILL NOT be doomed, but is consumer confidence?

    I will probably buy the next Ninty console, but it depends on how long the Wii U lives. I'm expecting a five, maybe six year lifespan, and I'm fine with buying the next console then, within its first six months on the market. Four years or less, and I'll wait.
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    Unless launching with F-Zero or Paper Mario (TTYD equivalent) I will refrain from buying the next Nintendo console at launch.
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    More problems putting up a poll, huh? That's happened before, and as far as I know, no one has figured out what the deal is with that. Sucks.

    Consumer confidence in general is pretty weak, hopefully that improves quickly, or at least substantially over the remainder of the life of the console. Don't know how low my confidence is though, as it's the worst launch they've ever had. Maybe if their next system comes out and I'm promised the only game that really appeals to me (on the early slate) a month or two after launch, I'll re-think it. But as far as not buying their next console at all, no matter what the circumstances? No, I'm pretty far from being that pissed off, and irrational.
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    That's really a vague question, considering we know nothing of the next Nintendo console, such as price, horsepower, etc. One thing I want to point out is just because Nintendo has money to spend doesn't mean they are going to exhaust their finances on WIIU. Eventually, if WIIU doesn't pick up, they will cut it's lifespan short. Next, Sony and MS are rumored to be looking to get rid of their gaming divisions. I think if either PS or XB go under or are sold off, discontinued, whatever, that will kill that brand, like the SEGA diehards. That leaves 3rd parties with fewer options to be jackasses. Imagine a WIIU with actual, real, third party support.

    Perhaps I'm being a fanboy, but I think that equals Nintendo dominating... but that is a big if.

    I also think the vast majority of folks who purchased a Wii simply aren't the gaming type, they weren't and aren't purchasing ANY new consoles. It was a one off thing, you know? The Wii was an anomoly, and people think that sets Nintendo's destiny in stone. The Wiiu name was a mistake, but one I fully understand. Only hindsight makes it look like a stupid idea. PS4 or X1 aren't exactly brilliant names either.

    IMO, you got from the Wii what you put into it. Did it have crappy shovelware? Sure. More than it's share? Yes. But I have roughly 120 WII games, with only 3-4 turkeys in the bunch. Add in VC and GC compatibility, and the WII was a sweet device that I still use.

    So, addressing the original question, will I buy the next Nintendo console at launch? Probably not, but I didn't buy Wii, WIIU, Xbox, etc at launch. But it's not because of lack of confidence in the brand, but usually I'm lacking funds when these things happen, and the launch line up is usually shiny crap. Let's put it this way; barring some obscene screw job, there will always be a place in my house for a Nintendo console.
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    Great feedback we are getting here. I most probably will buy the next console, but like I said it depends on what is available, and I definitely will not be buying within the launch window unless A. It's less than $300, B. It has at least the next Zelda, and one other top tier game available at launch (Minus Mario. Of course there will be Mario.), and C. It looks like there will be a large amount of support (in numbers and real games, not in words) from either 3rd party or 1st/2nd.

    If 2 out of 3 happen, then I'll likely pick it up after around a year after launch, but if only one or less, then I'll either wait until I can pick it up for around $100, or not at all if I am happy with the console i have at that time (to be honest it may very well be a ps4 at that point).

    A lot of it also depends on how the following 4 years play out with the Wii U. I don't expect Wii U to last over 4 more years at this point, unless Nintendo really started getting the masses to grind out purchases. At that point it might last 5 more years (maybe 6 if it turned into a hit).

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    If Nintendo makes another console I will not buy it at launch. Probably won't buy at all. And if that happens I'd go with my libarary of games for my gaiming needs.

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    I'm getting it (if they support the U throughout a reasonable lifetime) but probably not at launch.
    I've never bought a console at launch, a month or two prior to launch I start to panic over all the games I haven't beaten and franticly try to finish them all before launch, which I never do, then at launch I decide to wait while I finish the games that are worthy before buying a new system.
    so a couple of month after launch (I waited longer with the U because I didn't have the time to play it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hexskrew View Post
    I feel I wasn't specific enough in my question with my post above (the poll would have clarified this but oh well), but the real question was would you purchase their next console at launch or wait a while or not purchase at all? And at that, would you buy retail or used? I usually only buy retail, but if I buy the next Nintendo console, it will probably be close to bargain bin.
    Well, like I said before, as long as they're not going the 2D topdown route for Zelda, I'll be buying it. But to expound on that, as long as I have the money, I will buy it retail on launch day no matter what. I'm too impatient to wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    More problems putting up a poll, huh? That's happened before, and as far as I know, no one has figured out what the deal is with that. Sucks.


    Consumer confidence in general is pretty weak, hopefully that improves quickly, or at least substantially over the remainder of the life of the console. Don't know how low my confidence is though, as it's the worst launch they've ever had. Maybe if their next system comes out and I'm promised the only game that really appeals to me (on the early slate) a month or two after launch, I'll re-think it. But as far as not buying their next console at all, no matter what the circumstances? No, I'm pretty far from being that pissed off, and irrational.

    Well, on the Poll, it wasn't exactly the forum's fault.. It informed me that poll options couldn't be over a certain character count, but then would not let me go back to fix it. No biggie.


    As far as being mad to the point of not purchasing the next console at all, I don't think that is too far away with some people, but then you never know. Heck I didn't buy a gamecube until they were like $75 new and I enjoyed the heck out of it with the games that were available at the time. And that actually is what led me to buy the Wii because I was playing on PS2 for so long, and I realized that there were a lot of fun games on GC that just didn't have the same level on PS2. But as far as buying at launch or up to a year afterward, I don't think that's something many would be willing to put on the table at this point for the next one.


    Quote Originally Posted by drew79 View Post
    That's really a vague question, considering we know nothing of the next Nintendo console, such as price, horsepower, etc. One thing I want to point out is just because Nintendo has money to spend doesn't mean they are going to exhaust their finances on WIIU. Eventually, if WIIU doesn't pick up, they will cut it's lifespan short. Next, Sony and MS are rumored to be looking to get rid of their gaming divisions. I think if either PS or XB go under or are sold off, discontinued, whatever, that will kill that brand, like the SEGA diehards. That leaves 3rd parties with fewer options to be jackasses. Imagine a WIIU with actual, real, third party support.


    Perhaps I'm being a fanboy, but I think that equals Nintendo dominating... but that is a big if.


    I also think the vast majority of folks who purchased a Wii simply aren't the gaming type, they weren't and aren't purchasing ANY new consoles. It was a one off thing, you know? The Wii was an anomoly, and people think that sets Nintendo's destiny in stone. The Wiiu name was a mistake, but one I fully understand. Only hindsight makes it look like a stupid idea. PS4 or X1 aren't exactly brilliant names either.


    IMO, you got from the Wii what you put into it. Did it have crappy shovelware? Sure. More than it's share? Yes. But I have roughly 120 WII games, with only 3-4 turkeys in the bunch. Add in VC and GC compatibility, and the WII was a sweet device that I still use.


    So, addressing the original question, will I buy the next Nintendo console at launch? Probably not, but I didn't buy Wii, WIIU, Xbox, etc at launch. But it's not because of lack of confidence in the brand, but usually I'm lacking funds when these things happen, and the launch line up is usually shiny crap. Let's put it this way; barring some obscene screw job, there will always be a place in my house for a Nintendo console.

    I would LOVE to see Nintendo dominating again.. Bad thing is at this point, I don't think they care. And I don't think they want to. Why? Because that means they have to appeal to the masses. They just aren't good at doing that and they don't want to. That's pretty clear, especially with the Wii U. No that doesn't mean that they only want to market to kids (though they focus on that a whole lot), but they don't want to cater to everyone. I still don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing.


    Wii was the biggest gaming anomoly in console history (or gaming history for that matter). It was simply the right console in the right place with the right price with the right software at the right time. There is no way in hell any manufacturer could probably pull that off again purposefully, and it did set Nintendo's expectations a little too lofty, but we all (in the gaming know, minus obviously 'gaming journalists' though I have a much bleaker place in my heart for what they are called) knew that Wii U would'nt hold a candle to those types of sales.. We DID expect at least the same type of support. Heck we were told that in the beginning by both Nintendo and 3rds.. I don't use my Wii anymore, but I don't hate on it really. I kinda wished it was more than what it was, but for what it was, no one can argue it was a good value.


    As far as purchasing at launch, the Wii U was the first (and most probably ONLY) console I will ever buy at launch. If I could go back would I have purchased it again? Not at launch. I would have waited until 2015 when I could buy one for around $200 and get a whole boatload of cheap and excellent gaming value with it. I usually always lack in funds to purchase at launch as well (that and most of the time, the prices are outrageous).


    I am still going to buy a PS4 to do most of my gaming on, but at this point, I am waiting till it comes down at least a little bit, and have more games out for it.

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    As much as I love Nintendo, I'll never buy another Nintendo home console again. As for their handhelds, I may well buy another one in the future, it all depends on what games come out for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hexskrew View Post
    I'll be damned if I slap down x amount of money on launch day again for a Ninty console, instead opting to wait at least two years to ensure I can get a good deal and verify that the price I pay for purchase is well spent with a good gaming ecosystem and proper support, even if JUST from Nintendo..
    I'm in this group, I bought a Wii U because Nintendo convinced me it would get 80% 3rd party support and its games wouldn't look massively worse that its competitors. They were sort of right on the latter point but either lied or were completely mistaken on the former! Also, this 'Nintendo could survive 30 failures' is rubbish. In terms of money, i suppose its true, but in terms of consumer confidence, I'd say the number's closer to 2-4. Nintendo's investors are up in arms over Nintendo due to 1 semi-failure, so the idea that they'd let Nintendo make 20-30 is ludicrous. Nintendo (IMO) need to take these points to heart for me to buy their next console:
    1. They are competing with Sony and Microsoft
    2. The casuals are gone, and they need at least passable (50%) 3rd party support to compete with Sony/Microsoft
    3. They need to release a AAA 1st party game at least once every 2 months
    4. Constantly releasing Mario games and platformers (especially platformers!) is really dull. The last Nintendo game I was genuinely excited about was Skyward Sword, if you think I'm going to buy a console that gets only one really exciting game every 4 years, you're crazy!
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    By the way, by "worst launch", I meant as far as first party games go. NintendoLand and New Super Mario Bros. U just don't cut it when compared to the first party stuff that accompanied the other consoles. Overall, I thought the launch was pretty good, just really lacking that Nintendo blockbuster stuff it should have had...

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    I have to admit after buying a 3dsxl and seeing the massive library including zelda games that they seem to concentrate on that.
    I can't blame them - they wanna make money and 3ds is a cash cow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    By the way, by "worst launch", I meant as far as first party games go. NintendoLand and New Super Mario Bros. U just don't cut it when compared to the first party stuff that accompanied the other consoles. Overall, I thought the launch was pretty good, just really lacking that Nintendo blockbuster stuff it should have had...
    they should have waited for mk8 honestly. Launch with mk8 and supermario land .
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Moness View Post
    I just hope the next handheld (if they do not make a console/handheld hybrid) will be region free again.
    Now that would be the ticket . A dual system that plays all 3ds and ds games, wii / wii u games and such.
    Then I could come home, plug my handheld in a dock and play it with upgraded visuals , etc. on the home console.
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    I think consumer confidence has been waning with Nintendo for the past two decades in truth. The Wii which is a fantastic console in its own right papered over the cracks at Nintendo and the cracks are now more apparent than ever before. There are gamers who are waiting for Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros and a new Zelda, but just how many gamers are waiting for those games?

    So far a price cut, a remake of a great Zelda game and a 3D Mario game have been unable to lift the Wii U and Nintendo out of the rut they find themselves in.

    I'm just wondering whether or not Nintendo's first party offerings still hold the same pulling power they have in previous years. It will be interesting to find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    By the way, by "worst launch", I meant as far as first party games go. NintendoLand and New Super Mario Bros. U just don't cut it when compared to the first party stuff that accompanied the other consoles. Overall, I thought the launch was pretty good, just really lacking that Nintendo blockbuster stuff it should have had...
    Part of that was because Nintendo wanted to let 3rd Parties have the spotlight which was based on 3rd parties making claims like they had an unprecedented partnership/relationship with Nintendo. Well that fell flat right after launch because 3rd parties did not promote their own games like they expected Nintendo to do it for them and they also pulled support of making full featured games or games at all within the first 2-3 months of launch. So combine that along with Nintendo not addressing this issue right away and being unprepared with their own game development and here you have a bad launch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scotto46 View Post
    Now that would be the ticket . A dual system that plays all 3ds and ds games, wii / wii u games and such.
    Then I could come home, plug my handheld in a dock and play it with upgraded visuals , etc. on the home console.
    Seeing as their home market japan is more into handheld and not into consoles that much anymore i think an hybrid isn't that weird an option for nintendo to consider.
    Will they go for it maybe not. Might they consider it, it would be stupid if they don't. Also the fact that they moved the console and handheld devs into 1 new building does make it seem so much more real.
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    Part of that was because Nintendo wanted to let 3rd Parties have the spotlight which was based on 3rd parties making claims like they had an unprecedented partnership/relationship with Nintendo. Well that fell flat right after launch because 3rd parties did not promote their own games like they expected Nintendo to do it for them and they also pulled support of making full featured games or games at all within the first 2-3 months of launch. So combine that along with Nintendo not addressing this issue right away and being unprepared with their own game development and here you have a bad launch.
    How did Nintendo think it had a solid standing with third party developers when for years prior to the Wii U's launch Nintendo never really seem interested or bothered about obtaining and maintaining relationships with third party developers and certainly not in the same way that Microsoft and Sony have done and still do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scotto46 View Post
    Now that would be the ticket . A dual system that plays all 3ds and ds games, wii / wii u games and such.
    Then I could come home, plug my handheld in a dock and play it with upgraded visuals , etc. on the home console.
    I always imagined it at a 9th gen console (2017?) that played 'Nintendo Fusion' games (i.e. games just over PS4 level with a just over PS3 level handheld mode) combined with it being backwards compatible with 3ds and Wii U games. I'd be very surprised if NIntendo's next console could play DS and Wii games.
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    it depends if they have a good main controller. no wiimote or no controller thats as big as the console, the controler should have a track pad or two but i dont really care about sticks. then i would know that there would some good games and not mostly a family console.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyMeadow View Post
    How did Nintendo think it had a solid standing with third party developers when for years prior to the Wii U's launch Nintendo never really seem interested or bothered about obtaining and maintaining relationships with third party developers and certainly not in the same way that Microsoft and Sony have done and still do?
    Because several big 3rd parties like EA, Ubisoft, Activision, and more all were very excited when the Wii U was announced and promised such support. I get what you are saying and I am not absolving Nintendo from their share of the blame but it stands that some really big 3rd parties promised such support and didn't deliver. So top that with Nintendo being unprepared with game development and you get some of the reasons why the Wii U is in trouble.
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    I'm in this group, I bought a Wii U because Nintendo convinced me it would get 80% 3rd party support and its games wouldn't look massively worse that its competitors. They were sort of right on the latter point but either lied or were completely mistaken on the former! Also, this 'Nintendo could survive 30 failures' is rubbish. In terms of money, i suppose its true, but in terms of consumer confidence, I'd say the number's closer to 2-4. Nintendo's investors are up in arms over Nintendo due to 1 semi-failure, so the idea that they'd let Nintendo make 20-30 is ludicrous. Nintendo (IMO) need to take these points to heart for me to buy their next console:
    1. They are competing with Sony and Microsoft
    2. The casuals are gone, and they need at least passable (50%) 3rd party support to compete with Sony/Microsoft
    3. They need to release a AAA 1st party game at least once every 2 months
    4. Constantly releasing Mario games and platformers (especially platformers!) is really dull. The last Nintendo game I was genuinely excited about was Skyward Sword, if you think I'm going to buy a console that gets only one really exciting game every 4 years, you're crazy!
    I agree with almost every bit of what you said except for #4 which is almost my exact situation except for one game.. ZombiU. That was THE only game that really appealed to me at launch, and was the main reason why I went ahead and purchased the console..

    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    By the way, by "worst launch", I meant as far as first party games go. NintendoLand and New Super Mario Bros. U just don't cut it when compared to the first party stuff that accompanied the other consoles. Overall, I thought the launch was pretty good, just really lacking that Nintendo blockbuster stuff it should have had...
    You are completely right, and Nintendo should have realized exactly this at that COMPLETELY EMBARRASSING E3.. I was embarrased for them.. They should have put Nintendo Land in the back of their minds and got something like Pikmin 3 ready for launch.. OR what they should have done was concentrated MUCH more on Nintendo Land than they did. There was definitely some solid work they put into those games, and sometimes I keep reminding myself to go back and play those again, but there could have been MUCH more to do and have fun with..

    Quote Originally Posted by scotto46 View Post
    I have to admit after buying a 3dsxl and seeing the massive library including zelda games that they seem to concentrate on that.
    I can't blame them - they wanna make money and 3ds is a cash cow.
    Well.. I currently have a 3DS XL on order (for my wife, but I'm going to be borrowing it a lot. hehe). But the other side of the coin here is they support the hell out of the 3DS so of course it's going to sell well.. It's really not all that much different in sales/profit perspective because obviously it doesn't take as much to make a 3ds game, but the price is generally half that of console games (or less).

    Quote Originally Posted by D Moness View Post
    I just hope the next handheld (if they do not make a console/handheld hybrid) will be region free again.
    Not with Iwata at the helm. He's going to willy nilly laugh at everyone again about the region locking..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hexskrew View Post
    Not with Iwata at the helm. He's going to willy nilly laugh at everyone again about the region locking..
    He was president when the ds when being created so nothing is impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyMeadow View Post
    So far a price cut, a remake of a great Zelda game and a 3D Mario game have been unable to lift the Wii U and Nintendo out of the rut they find themselves in.
    Define the "rut". Also, tell us what it takes to get out of said "rut". I'm not going to sit here and paint a rosy, wholly optimistic picture of how the system is doing right now, but to pretend it's in as dire of straits as it was just a few months ago is kind of an intellectually dishonest over-generalization. I'm sorry, it just is. So, simply, where would it have to be before you'd say it isn't doomed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    So, simply, where would it have to be before you'd say it isn't doomed?
    Outselling the ps4
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Moness View Post
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    Let's hope not...

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    Remember when the 3DS was doomed not too long ago, with it's gimmicky screen and it's terrible game selection?

    I bet in a year's time, we'll be saying:

    Remember when the Wii U was doomed not too long ago, with it's gimmicky controller and it's terrible game selection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the ancient gamer View Post
    Let's hope not...
    Don't you know if it is not the top selling console and/or have every game that you personally want to play it is doomed and a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gameboy View Post
    And consumer confidence is still alive with the xbox one after they reversed their policies of always online DRM? Or with Sony after they banned used games, and then didn't? The Wii U is the only one who kept their promises all the way through.
    With Xbox, hell no. I don't think there is any consumer confidence in them.. As a side note, I went to gamestop yesterday (Picked up Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for Wii U, AND Warrior's Orochi 3 Hyper for $22 all together) and noticed a used Xbox One on the shelf, and asked about the sales. The guy at the desk said that they don't know where to put the extra stock for the Xbone, because people who buy them keep bringing them back and trading them in for the PS4 when they have them available, and sales of the xbone aren't doing well anyway.

    With PS4, actually you have people who are very confident in SONY. Now you could say it's for multiple reasons (some obviously more delusional or enthusiastic than reality), but for one, when they buy PS4, they know they are getting the bulk of 3rd party support. Also consumers know that they will get the big hitting Sony exclusives (Uncharted for just an example but there are MANY MANY MANY more). They know they don't have to get a camera with the console. They may not realize how bad off Sony actually is, but then no one really knows for sure. I have said it time and time again, that all Sony has to do is liquidate their divisions that have not made money in quite some time (television, cable boxes, sound systems, etc.) and they would be right back in the black with money to spare.

    I don't think the gaming ecosystem really needs Microsoft anymore than Microsoft needs the gaming market.. If they went away tomorrow, I personally think it would be a win-win, and the only ones who would be upset about it is EA.
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    i will be purchasing it because third party games are not the reason i buy nintendo consoles. i like to play nintendo's first party software a lot, and i think it's worth buying their hardware to play those games. i bought a wii u almost a year after launch and i probably will wait too unless the console has an awesome first party launch title or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugmouse View Post
    Remember when the 3DS was doomed not too long ago, with it's gimmicky screen and it's terrible game selection?

    I bet in a year's time, we'll be saying:

    Remember when the Wii U was doomed not too long ago, with it's gimmicky controller and it's terrible game selection?
    The 3DS, even though had a 'gimmicky' display, was just as easily turned off and ignored, and Nintendo did buckle down and start selling the handheld at a loss, advertised the heck out of it, and started pumping out awesome games.

    Wii U's controller isn't an option. You can't turn the screen off and ignore it unless the game your playing happens to be playable with a Wii Mote. And Nintendo HASN'T buckled down, dropped the price of the Wii U a whole bunch and started spitting out awesome content at a rapid pace.

    I'm not saying they are giving up, but what I am saying is they aren't putting much effort into it..

    And at that, what did 3DS have to compete against? The DS, which was old and ready to be taken out to pasture, the PSP which was the same and was already out to pasture, and the new Vita which no one cared about.

    The Wii U has one strong competitor with Sony's PS4, and Microsoft's currently defunct Xbox One. They STILL have a chance to really push this system, but they just haven't done it.. IF they had been really pushing this system on the market, I would be playing a different tune, but I still feel like Nintendo ran out of steam and is just playing the trudge game with the Wii U which is what makes me furious at them for not trying anymore.. Sure they still come out with AAA games for it. Would be great if they did more than have a 'Nintendo Direct' which is only advertised the day before it comes out, and with a few commercials on kids channels for a single game for the console for maybe a month and then that's it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hexskrew View Post
    And Nintendo HASN'T buckled down, dropped the price of the Wii U a whole bunch and started spitting out awesome content at a rapid pace.

    I'm not saying they are giving up, but what I am saying is they aren't putting much effort into it..
    See, I happen to disagree with this, completely. I don't want to get into a heated debate about this sort of thing, so don't take my disagreement the wrong way.

    Game development for a high definition console is an entirely different matter than creating a handheld game. I'm sure if you look at the average time it takes to create a game on the Wii U, it is double the time it takes to create a 3DS title. Secondly, Nintendo has lowered the price on the Wii U, which was likely already at a low profit margin at the original $350. Next, we have Nintendo on record stating that they will be licensing out their IPs to 3rd parties that are willing to develop. This to me is addressing the longer development times that it takes for making a Wii U title, and in time, will lead to titles being churned out at a much more accelerated rate. Nintendo had to adapt their strategy due to 3rd parties pulling their support. That's a huge deal when it comes to what they had planned originally.

    Granted, that last bit is speculation on my part, but everything I'm seeing (and everything I've seen from Nintendo's past) points to Nintendo taking the proper steps to correct the issue. But it will take time.

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