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    Port forwarding Wii U advice and some interesting information!

    Okay everyone I have been doing some network probing on the Wii U and I have found a particular protocol that the Wii U uses that is quite interesting and possibly the reason the system locks up and occasionally freezes for some users, it could even be responsible for the slow menu loading times.

    The good news is that this can be fixed by both you and Nintendo, all you have to do is create a rule in your wireless router, now the reason I'm posing this early is so I can get some testers as I need to test this on a larger scale.

    The issue looks to be occurring from a port getting blocked that should really be open, this port is 9103 this port relates is an udp port and needs to be open, this port relates to the bacula-sd protocol that is possibly to do with user accounts on the system and sending game data information back to Nintendo, I think either way it needs to be opened up, the best way to do this is to create a rule that opens ports 1000 to 44063 in your routers port forwarding settings exclusively for the Wii U's IP address.

    Apparently the DMZ setting that should allow this normally, fails to open this port and I believe that this is where the issue is occurring with the slow downs and crashes.

    So if you test this out and let me know your results I will be most grateful, and here is hoping some of you have a smoother Wii U experience with this new information.
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    Thanks for opening up this thread! I hope people will start testing this soon, as I also believe some of the freezing issues are likely to be caused by network problems.
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    I can help test it later tonight.
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    After I done my test and opened ports 1000 to 44063 heavy stealth IP probing of the console finally showed this port's information before hand with my Wii U under DMZ all port 1000 to 44063 were blocked after adding them to a rule this little information on this protocol started appearing in X11, this protocol is also licensed under the GPL2 and suggests that the Wii U uses a file system like unix, but unfortunately the OS has to many finger prints to be identified under X11 terminal, port 9103 is a port that connects to the internet to run some kind of backup process and it seems to be running constantly on the Wii U, so if it's filtered and unable to perform it's task this would suggest to me that the Wii U is getting clogged with background errors regarding this protocol, thus causing lock ups.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hope this cures peoples problems that little pesky port 9103!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    After I done my test and opened ports 1000 to 44063 heavy stealth IP probing of the console finally showed this port's information before hand with my Wii U under DMZ all port 1000 to 44063 were blocked after adding them to a rule this little information on this protocol started appearing in X11, this protocol is also licensed under the GPL2 and suggests that the Wii U uses a file system like unix, but unfortunately the OS has to many finger prints to be identified under X11 terminal, port 9103 is a port that connects to the internet to run some kind of backup process and it seems to be running constantly on the Wii U, so if it's filtered and unable to perform it's task this would suggest to me that the Wii U is getting clogged with background errors regarding this protocol, thus causing lock ups.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hope this cures peoples problems that little pesky port 9103!!!
    Maybe that's what the patch coming late December is going to address. Perhaps the system shouldn't be running that process constantly - or they are going to change what ports its trying to use. Maybe someone screwed up and those ports were used internally (to keep it in a controlled environment) and they forgot to change them with the final product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemonrunner View Post
    Maybe that's what the patch coming late December is going to address. Perhaps the system shouldn't be running that process constantly - or they are going to change what ports its trying to use. Maybe someone screwed up and those ports were used internally (to keep it in a controlled environment) and they forgot to change them with the final product.
    I think a simple port change could be done, maybe even updating the backup schedule to incremental as opposed to a constant would probably solve some frame rate issues during online gaming, as one thing I can say since I've unlocked this port I'm getting better online games with Sega all star racing much much better, my god it was unplayable for me before hand!

    Additional If this was to be fixed in a Nintendo update I think I should be able to tell in-fact I'm sure I will be able to tell if it is the pesky little trouble maker through another full stealth probe on the Wii U, I also should think that the update will be quite small possibly only a few MB's unless the update contains any Wii updated firmware also and new features like TVii, if any of these changes are also added then the Wii U update should be anywhere from 100MB to 500MB's ish, but if a simple change to this protocol is made then the update should be really fast.
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    Using this froze my Wii U.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalebTaylorX View Post
    Using this froze my Wii U.
    Did it freeze before hand though? A little more information is needed, sorry to hear that though mate.

    Do you have the Wii U in a DHCP reserve list and have you configured your Wii U manually to connect to the internet or did you use auto configuration, if you have your Wii U on DHCP reserved list do you also have it under the DMZ list?

    The rule you make also has to be a TCP/UDP both rule so you can't just choose one or the other as we are opening up many problematic ports here.

    The Wii U's IP address might have to be in the 192.168.0.XX range for this to work, but this is why I need people to test this out, my Wii U has improved dramatically since this change.

    It's also helpful if you tell me under what circumstance you get a freeze so that I can try to replicate it, e.g what game you are playing what level online/offline in Miiverse.

    Although it's against my previous advice have you tried changing the WiFi to use 300MBS as apposed to 135MB for best range?
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    I'll try it again later.
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    It worked but it gave me a 2 bar connection on Black Ops II so I took it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalebTaylorX View Post
    It worked but it gave me a 2 bar connection on Black Ops II so I took it off.
    What did you do different change the mbps speed? if you set it to 300mbps you will lower your signal, 135mbps will increase signal, but at a speed loss.

    good to hear it works though my wiiu menu doesn't do that please wait loading thing anymore.

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    I forwarded port 9103 on my router and the menus are loading faster. The browser and Miiverse load much, much faster. I also changed my wireless settings from 54mbps to 300mbps and now the gamepad works about ten feet farther from the console than it did previously. Works for me; now I can play in bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    What did you do different change the mbps speed? if you set it to 300mbps you will lower your signal, 135mbps will increase signal, but at a speed loss.



    good to hear it works though my wiiu menu doesn't do that please wait loading thing anymore.
    I have it on 300MB
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    Quote Originally Posted by sir420 View Post
    I forwarded port 9103 on my router and the menus are loading faster. The browser and Miiverse load much, much faster. I also changed my wireless settings from 54mbps to 300mbps and now the gamepad works about ten feet farther from the console than it did previously. Works for me; now I can play in bed.
    This is excellent news, if you could give me your wifi router model and firmware type I'm goung to do a write up on the best router configurations.

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    I have it on 300MB
    Ahh excellent and what brand of router do you use?

    Ah excellent if you could give me the same info please i will continue my write up on the best setting per wifi router.

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    I did it again and I got a 4 bar connection. Thanks.
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    I did it again and I got a 4 bar connection. Thanks.
    Has your experience been better?


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    Port forwarding Wii U advice and some interesting information!

    When more information will be gathered, this thread should get stickied.
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    Port forwarding Wii U advice and some interesting information!

    I just need feedback so I can do a proper write up on it so I can tweak a few more things and get people's wiiu's the way they should be!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    Has your experience been better?


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    Port forwarding Wii U advice and some interesting information!

    That's what I like to hear


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    That's what I like to hear


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    This is excellent news, if you could give me your wifi router model and firmware type I'm goung to do a write up on the best router configurations.
    Router is a Netgear DGN2200, latest firmware of v1.0.0.46

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    Port forwarding Wii U advice and some interesting information!

    Is it supposed to work this way for european Wii Us or do you think it changes something between the American and European versions of the console? Because I'd like to try it out when I get my Wii U.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir420 View Post
    Router is a Netgear DGN2200, latest firmware of v1.0.0.46
    Thank you my good sir!

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkMaster View Post
    Is it supposed to work this way for european Wii Us or do you think it changes something between the American and European versions of the console? Because I'd like to try it out when I get my Wii U.
    I think it will be the same for both regions so you are more than welcome to try it out and let me know as I would really like the feedback.

    In theory both regions will use the same protocols for the Wii U.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    I think it will be the same for both regions so you are more than welcome to try it out and let me know as I would really like the feedback.

    In theory both regions will use the same protocols for the Wii U.
    Mmmhm, I'll try this out for sure then.
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    yo cloud, can you give us a walkthrough on how to do what you're describing in the OP? i went to try this today and couldn't figure out how to access my router's settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savinghyrule View Post
    yo cloud, can you give us a walkthrough on how to do what you're describing in the OP? i went to try this today and couldn't figure out how to access my router's settings.
    what is your router first and foremost.


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    So i added a rule for port 9100 to 9200 on my Thompson Tg784n and although general Internet connection is the same the system is faster by some seconds opening some menus, like the home button, miiverse. I used to wait as far as 20s on some, many are now cut to 5-10s, which is great.Maybe there's still room for optimization.
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    Port forwarding Wii U advice and some interesting information!

    It seems this solution is working, good work CloudKill
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    Quote Originally Posted by savinghyrule View Post
    yo cloud, can you give us a walkthrough on how to do what you're describing in the OP? i went to try this today and couldn't figure out how to access my router's settings.
    Hay mate if you let me know your router and firmware version if you can and I will write up some instructions for you.

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    So i added a rule for port 9100 to 9200 on my Thompson Tg784n and although general Internet connection is the same the system is faster by some seconds opening some menus, like the home button, miiverse. I used to wait as far as 20s on some, many are now cut to 5-10s, which is great.Maybe there's still room for optimization.
    I'm very pleased to hear this, I'm still playing with different ports and I think there is room for optimisation too, although it might have to be up to Nintendo to do that, but I will certainly try my best to find out if I can do anymore to help.

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    It seems this solution is working, good work CloudKill
    Thank you, I just want to make sure everyone is having a good experience with their Wii U's and being a techy I figured I'd give it ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    Hay mate if you let me know your router and firmware version if you can and I will write up some instructions for you.
    it's a motorola surfboard, model SBG901. i don't know how to find out the firmware version lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savinghyrule View Post
    it's a motorola surfboard, model SBG901. i don't know how to find out the firmware version lol.
    try this. go to it via web browser. 192.168.1.1, on the side click gateway, on the new screen look for port forwarding. enter everything there.

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    When it asks which IP address to forward the ports to, which one do I put? If it's the WiiU's how do I find it?

    edit: Never mind, I just turned my Wii U on and it popped as one of the devices listed. I'm forwarding pots 8000-10000 right now because when I tried 1000-44063 but it said some were already being used, whatever that means. Load times are pretty much the same and I still get error codes left and right with anything to do with the internet. And my ACIII download still keeps cutting in and out. This is with a Netgear WNDR3400
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojack View Post
    When it asks which IP address to forward the ports to, which one do I put? If it's the WiiU's how do I find it?

    edit: Never mind, I just turned my Wii U on and it popped as one of the devices listed. I'm forwarding pots 8000-10000 right now because when I tried 1000-44063 but it said some were already being used, whatever that means. Load times are pretty much the same and I still get error codes left and right with anything to do with the internet. And my ACIII download still keeps cutting in and out. This is with a Netgear WNDR3400
    Okay so what you need to do is add your wiiu to your routers reserve list under dhcp, you do this by adding your wiiu's mac address found in the wiiu's system settings, you will need to give the wiiu a fixed ip address and enter that ip into your wiiu, plus subnet and dns primary and secondary, add the wiiu's ip to your dmz list and then try port forwading the wiiu again with the static/reserved ip, you shouldn't get any errors then.

    this sounds complex but sitting in front of your routers setting it will become clear, you might want to change the connection speed to 300mbps, and set you routers MTU to 1500, change the wireless channel to anything above 9 i'd say 11, your security should be set to wpa2-aes and your wireless mode should be 2.5GHz not 5GHz.

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    Thanks, I was able to do everything in your second paragraph but couldn't figure out how to do the stuff in the first. I know it's the holidays, so no rush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojack View Post
    Thanks, I was able to do everything in your second paragraph but couldn't figure out how to do the stuff in the first. I know it's the holidays, so no rush.
    I will make it my mission to get this working for you, tomorrow im testing the cod connection.

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    Port forwarding Wii U advice and some interesting information!

    Holy snikes it works! Speed is much improved! Awesome work good sir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg View Post
    Holy snikes it works! Speed is much improved! Awesome work good sir.


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    I'm very glad to hear that my good man, cod players should really be doing this my god the amount of players who fluctuate connections online atleast mine is constant now, all green bars for me, heres hoping everyone will read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    Okay so what you need to do is add your wiiu to your routers reserve list under dhcp, you do this by adding your wiiu's mac address found in the wiiu's system settings, you will need to give the wiiu a fixed ip address and enter that ip into your wiiu, plus subnet and dns primary and secondary, add the wiiu's ip to your dmz list and then try port forwading the wiiu again with the static/reserved ip, you shouldn't get any errors then.

    this sounds complex but sitting in front of your routers setting it will become clear, you might want to change the connection speed to 300mbps, and set you routers MTU to 1500, change the wireless channel to anything above 9 i'd say 11, your security should be set to wpa2-aes and your wireless mode should be 2.5GHz not 5GHz.

    i will write up a guid for this type of router but please bare with me, im just finishing the virgin media write up.
    So.. all of that can be done with any type of router right? I´ll try it out. I live in Austria having a router connected to an umts network.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flakers View Post
    So.. all of that can be done with any type of router right? I´ll try it out. I live in Austria having a router connected to an umts network.
    It´s a 3 WebCube
    Yes you can do all this in almost all managed routers, non managed can't do it, but the one that host your broadband will have management, give it a go and let me know how it goes mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudkill87 View Post
    Yes you can do all this in almost all managed routers, non managed can't do it, but the one that host your broadband will have management, give it a go and let me know how it goes mate.
    Ok I gave my Wii U the IP 192.168.1.110
    Thats 10 more than the standard IP adress.

    I entered everything as you said and port forwarded from 1000 - 44ish <-- whatever that number was

    still got a connection, thats a good sign I guess.

    There was something called IP Filter. There I entered the Wii U IP and the port numbers. TCP was stated above.
    DIdn´t find anything else that looked like port forwarding stuff, I gues that was correct.

    Takes about 12 seconds to boot up MiiVerse
    Home button anywhere in the menu goes instantly
    Shop about 23 secs - navigating through the menu seems a little more speedy though cant say for sure

    Where exactly should we see differences? I noticed loading times were bad with the wii u, what really bothered me though were the freezes.

    I got them during the Miiverse use mostly, well and twice playing AC3

    Hope that fixed it


    UPDATE!

    I read through the comments again and you said we gotta use TCP and UDP

    heres a pic of my configuration, maybe you can tell me if thats alright

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    Hey, figured out how to do more things you said but I'm still at a loss as to what to put for the primary and secondary DNS's. What do I put for those?

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    I could seriously use some help; my router is a VIZIO XWR100, and I'm tired of getting these error code messages. It's almost like I have to be near the router to get this thing to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTurner View Post
    I could seriously use some help; my router is a VIZIO XWR100, and I'm tired of getting these error code messages. It's almost like I have to be near the router to get this thing to work.
    So far that's the only thing that has actually worked for me. But that meant having the console plugged into an outlet, but no TV. I can play some games on the GamePad, but I'd much rather play on a big HD TV. My 360 sits right next to my WiiU by the tv and gets signal fine, so I know I just have to get the right settings to get this damn thing to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTurner View Post
    I could seriously use some help; my router is a VIZIO XWR100, and I'm tired of getting these error code messages. It's almost like I have to be near the router to get this thing to work.
    Hi from doing some research into your router there does seem to be issues with it's signal abilities, but lets at least try, I did send you a PM back hopefully my advice works.

    Basically anyone having interference or low signal needs to do a few things to better the routers range.

    First Make sure your wireless channel is over 9 preferably 11 or 12, and your MTU value should be 1500MTU.
    If this doesn't do it make sure your router is set to the best possible connection range, this is not the highest value, wireless N routers have 300mbps option if you are having issues with getting a signal you will need to drop the value of this to 145mbps or the option that states best wireless range.

    Always make sure your wireless router is set to 2.5GHz and not 5GHz, this will fail completely on the Wii U.

    I will have write ups for wireless router setups coming in the new year, you will have to forgive me for not knowing the USA region routers as I have direct line into my house and I know some others use ADSL and other DSL services, but the good news is for the most part my setting seem universal.

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    Can i explain something to a lot of people please be cautious while doing this because certain ports are blocked by certain isp's and if you engage those blocked addresses by accident you could have your isp suspend your account for 2 weeks so be forwarned

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnodd4 View Post
    Can i explain something to a lot of people please be cautious while doing this because certain ports are blocked by certain isp's and if you engage those blocked addresses by accident you could have your isp suspend your account for 2 weeks so be forwarned
    Thats actually only true if you are using a PC/mac for tunnelling torrents/P2P, and in that case your ISP will know what you are doing, due to the traffic exchange and they block those torrent websites now, if you get a 2 week ban for unlocking high numbers that are used for gaming or even using DMZ then get a new ISP because their exchange obviously sucks.

    Low port numbers such as port 25 come into this, and are mostly blocked by ISP's now and have been for many years, but actually in the UK doesn't denote a ban or restriction as consumers would sue to high heaven, as with all of these things it's only the US territories that are effected by these seemingly silly anti consumer support rules, over here TOS means squat but all of the aforementioned ports here are fine to unlock and if anyones ISP block you for using them then phone them up and slap the "I'm going else where" move on them because any exchange that is incapable of detecting illegal P2P sharing shouldn't be used for online gaming.

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    actually you can be banned no matter the country it's dependent on the port you open and if the port is in use by the server your isp uses this applies to the u.k as well because i have friends from the u.k and there computers wont work here in the u.s because of a differrent port standard which sucks so i had to setup a new port

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnodd4 View Post
    actually you can be banned no matter the country it's dependent on the port you open and if the port is in use by the server your isp uses this applies to the u.k as well because i have friends from the u.k and there computers wont work here in the u.s because of a differrent port standard which sucks so i had to setup a new port
    Of course their computers would work in the US! The ports used by particular software are set by that software, not the region. Any difference in port access is down to how the software has been customised by the end user.
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